tabatha.marshall at lpi.org
Thu Nov 10 14:00:37 EST 2005
Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> Others said...
>>> LPIC-3 is about the security of linux and the related network.
>> I thought LPIC-3 was specializations, with security being one.
Don't forget that it was not ultimately decided what L3 should cover,
which is why further analysis needs to be done by engaging people within
the community/industry. It will come in a more organized fashion than a
simple discussion, I promise! ;)
> The reality, to the best that I am aware, is that LPIC-3 is no closer to
> fruition now than a few years ago.
> There are a three main reasons for this that I encountered while serving
> as LPI pres:
Evan, I think your explanations below are helpful to the community. I
agree that these are the current challenges facing L3. It's important
that we factor these points into the assessment of new programs.
Thank you for sharing that with the list!
> 1) "Top of the pyramid"
> The higher the level, the more it will cost to make (because you need
> people beyond Level 3 to be able to create Level 3, and by nature it's
> more difficult than lower levels) and will be taken by less people
> (given that LPIC1 and LPIC2 are pre-requisites in a conventional
> bottom-up program).
> This is why CompTIA only does entry level exams in so many fields
> (including Linux+). They want to be the bottom of every certification
> pyramid -- easiest (and thus cheapest) to make, biggest potential
> audience (and revenue).
> Right now there is likely not enough of a base of LPIC-2 people to make
> a LPIC3 upgrade economically feasible (unless some white knight with an
> open chequebook says otherwise).
> 2) "What is it?"
> Even the thread I'm now entering indicates a diverse opinion on what
> LPIC3 should be, and as some of you know this forum has bashed around
> this topic before. Various options that I've seen put forward include:
> - A conventional two-exam program built on top of LPIC2 addressing
> security and/or enterprise admin issues
> - A number of specialized "merit badges" that don't even require LPIC2
> as a pre-requisite
> - A series of elective specialities -- pick any two (plus LPIC2) to get
> your LPIC3
> - LPIC3 should be LAMP -- LPIC (1 or 2) plus MySQL cert plus an Apache
> exam plus a Perl/PHP/Python exam
> Each of the above scenarios has its advantages and drawbacks. Consensus
> was beyond my ability to achieve during my tenure. And of course there
> is the issue of "how can you create LPIC3 while levels 1 and 2 still
> need work?", which matters in a circumstance of finite resources.
> 3) "Where is the demand?"
> This is really just a variation on "what is it", because there's no
> point doing any cert if it's not going to be of value to sufficient
> numbers of people and employers. During my tenure I just didn't see the
> demand; there was a lot of "this would be really good to have" but very
> little of "the community must have it right now". Since LPI doesn't sell
> software or training, there is no _internal_ need identified, it must be
> come from outside. And so far I haven't seen much beyond the odd curiosity.
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