[lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] Linux Professional Institute changes Recertification Policy

[Danny Williams JR]

Hello everyone.
new LPIC-1 graduate here.

I just wanted to put my vote in for 5 years.

in 5 years we could have ext4 jfs and new features in bash
or even bash be replaced by Re-Bourne Again Shell for example.

the more up to date we are the better we look :)
just my .02

Danny Williams JR.

Dimitrios Bogiatzoules, LPI Product Developer wrote:
> Hi Karl,
>
> Karl Schock said the following on 05.12.2006 23:21:
> [...]
>   
>> 1. What effect will the drop from 10 to 5 years have in your country?
>>
>> 2. Is it a problem to convince candidates in your country to spend
>>    time and money every 5 years (or even better every 2 years) to
>>    recertificate and stay ACTIVE instead of every 10 years?
>>
>> 3. Do you think that employers in your country want a drop from
>>    10 to 5 years?
>>
>> My answers for my country:
>>
>> 1. The number of exams will not raise.
>>
>> 2. It will become harder to convince candidates.
>>    
>> 3. No. Because 95% don't know the difference between LPIC
>> ACTIVE/INACTIVE.
>>    (If they would know the difference 99,9% would want the drop because
>>    it is a drop - thats's Germany.)
>>     
>
> Hear, hear! Karl knows what will happen in the near future! Could you
> predict some other easy facts? Sorry, but I couldn't resist ;-)
>
> Here *my* answers for my country, which is the same one as yours:
>
> 1. Who can tell that and based on what facts?
>
> 2. This is ridicolous, to be honest. If you take all L1 and L2 exams
> within a few days/hours (as Bryan did) then you have *the* skills to
> pass a L3 exam and thus your ACTIVE period will be extended. If you take
> the exams as all "normal" candidates, then you will reach L1, then work
> as Linux professional (whatever that means for each of you) and then
> prepare yourself for L2. After you have achieved that you can either
> consider to move along to L3 or take one exam within 5 years after your
> last exam.
>
> 3. No comment. (Employers are looking for the best available staff. The
> certificate is one part in the whole process.) BTW: where do you have
> that fine percentages? I wouldn't trade with numbers that aren't based
> on hard facts. Please forward us any research results that prove these...
>
>
>   
>> IMHO dropping from 10 to 5 makes it all worse in Germany. The biggest
>> challenge here is that not enough employers know what LPIC is and I
>> would
>> be pleased when the LPI would develop ideas to improve it instead of
>> discourage candidates and upset volunteers.
>>     
>
> Karl, what are you trying to tell us? How does the reduction of the
> ACTIVE state of a perpetual *VALID* certification from 10 to 5 years
> makes anything worse than it is here in Germany?
>
> I can't follow your arguments. Let me give you a funny (I hope) example:
> If an athlet, lets say a runner, wins one contest, does he stop
> training? Does he stop entering other contest because he won once and
> therefore he is *a*  certified winner?
>
> Of course no one can take him the gold medal from his first contest he
> won, but what is it worth if he now has a big belly?
>
> So what the recertification policy does, is to help a third party to
> differ between certificate holders that are in business and maintain
> their certifications and holders that do not.
>
>
>
> [...]
>   
>> Is there anybody on the list who is able to do it? Or is it really
>> necessary to organize a sit-in in front of the LPI headquarters
>> in Toronto? ;-)
>>     
>
> No comment on that.
>
> A last advice Karl, and I really hope you don't mind. There is a
> difference between what you claim to know about a local market as the
> German one and the reality. You cannot extrapolate what *you* think to
> all others because you did not ask them if they do so. I'm really tired
> to read people writing about "us", "them", "all" and whatever. Express
> *your* opinion and if you have the right arguments, others will respect
> it, but do not write what Germans do, think, want without having their
> mandate.
>
> Just repeating: although I'm LPI staff, the above are my personal
> opinion, since my working area is only restricted to exam development.
>
> Regards,
>
> Taki
>   
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