[lpi-discuss] [LPI-News] Linux Professional Institute changes
Danny Williams JR
dwilliams at aaotech.com
Wed Dec 6 08:21:32 EST 2006
new LPIC-1 graduate here.
I just wanted to put my vote in for 5 years.
in 5 years we could have ext4 jfs and new features in bash
or even bash be replaced by Re-Bourne Again Shell for example.
the more up to date we are the better we look :)
just my .02
Danny Williams JR.
Dimitrios Bogiatzoules, LPI Product Developer wrote:
> Hi Karl,
> Karl Schock said the following on 05.12.2006 23:21:
>> 1. What effect will the drop from 10 to 5 years have in your country?
>> 2. Is it a problem to convince candidates in your country to spend
>> time and money every 5 years (or even better every 2 years) to
>> recertificate and stay ACTIVE instead of every 10 years?
>> 3. Do you think that employers in your country want a drop from
>> 10 to 5 years?
>> My answers for my country:
>> 1. The number of exams will not raise.
>> 2. It will become harder to convince candidates.
>> 3. No. Because 95% don't know the difference between LPIC
>> (If they would know the difference 99,9% would want the drop because
>> it is a drop - thats's Germany.)
> Hear, hear! Karl knows what will happen in the near future! Could you
> predict some other easy facts? Sorry, but I couldn't resist ;-)
> Here *my* answers for my country, which is the same one as yours:
> 1. Who can tell that and based on what facts?
> 2. This is ridicolous, to be honest. If you take all L1 and L2 exams
> within a few days/hours (as Bryan did) then you have *the* skills to
> pass a L3 exam and thus your ACTIVE period will be extended. If you take
> the exams as all "normal" candidates, then you will reach L1, then work
> as Linux professional (whatever that means for each of you) and then
> prepare yourself for L2. After you have achieved that you can either
> consider to move along to L3 or take one exam within 5 years after your
> last exam.
> 3. No comment. (Employers are looking for the best available staff. The
> certificate is one part in the whole process.) BTW: where do you have
> that fine percentages? I wouldn't trade with numbers that aren't based
> on hard facts. Please forward us any research results that prove these...
>> IMHO dropping from 10 to 5 makes it all worse in Germany. The biggest
>> challenge here is that not enough employers know what LPIC is and I
>> be pleased when the LPI would develop ideas to improve it instead of
>> discourage candidates and upset volunteers.
> Karl, what are you trying to tell us? How does the reduction of the
> ACTIVE state of a perpetual *VALID* certification from 10 to 5 years
> makes anything worse than it is here in Germany?
> I can't follow your arguments. Let me give you a funny (I hope) example:
> If an athlet, lets say a runner, wins one contest, does he stop
> training? Does he stop entering other contest because he won once and
> therefore he is *a* certified winner?
> Of course no one can take him the gold medal from his first contest he
> won, but what is it worth if he now has a big belly?
> So what the recertification policy does, is to help a third party to
> differ between certificate holders that are in business and maintain
> their certifications and holders that do not.
>> Is there anybody on the list who is able to do it? Or is it really
>> necessary to organize a sit-in in front of the LPI headquarters
>> in Toronto? ;-)
> No comment on that.
> A last advice Karl, and I really hope you don't mind. There is a
> difference between what you claim to know about a local market as the
> German one and the reality. You cannot extrapolate what *you* think to
> all others because you did not ask them if they do so. I'm really tired
> to read people writing about "us", "them", "all" and whatever. Express
> *your* opinion and if you have the right arguments, others will respect
> it, but do not write what Germans do, think, want without having their
> Just repeating: although I'm LPI staff, the above are my personal
> opinion, since my working area is only restricted to exam development.
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